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by WisePoorOldMan (Eccl 9:13-16) » Mon Jun 22, 2026 4:49 pm
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Please Note: Since the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower Magazine, on page 20 par. #11, where the Watchtower Society admonished all 9 Million Jehovah's Witnesses in more than 120K Congregations world wide NOT ... NOT to "speculate" again about the United Nations Organization ever again being the Primary "Satanic Agency" that will attack God's People [JWs] in the coming "Great Tribulation" ... there has not been a single reference ... not one single reference or an official mention of the United Nations Organization being the "Disgusting Thing" of Matthew 24:15-16 and/or Mark 13:14, as well as it being the foretold "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:3-11, officially identified as such, nor has there been absolutely any reference of the United Nations being in bible prophecy at all, since the reference in June 2003...some 23 years ago. That's right, there has been no mention in Watchtower Literature, no reference to them about the UN fulfilling bible prophecy at all...since that time, June 1st, 2003, some 23 years ago.
Think about it!
See full-color blog on this very topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm
See below Co-Pilot's comments:
Summary of the YORWW “Disgusting Thing” Introduction Page
The YORWW Introduction page [found here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm] aptly argues the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses have already experienced the prophetic “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14), and that the Watchtower’s own actions — especially the UN NGO scandal — prove this.
Here are the core points:
1. The “Disgusting Thing” Has Already Stood in a Holy Place
According to the YORWW interpretation:
The “holy place” = the worldwide congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
The “disgusting thing” = the United Nations
The fulfillment occurred when the Watchtower joined the UN as an NGO (1992–2001)
This act placed the UN “where it ought not be” — inside God’s supposed “holy people”
This is presented as a major transgression (Daniel 8:12).
2. The June 1, 2003 Watchtower Is the Turning Point
The page emphasizes that the June 1, 2003 Watchtower (p. 20 ¶11) told JWs:
Not to “speculate” about which human agency will attack God’s people
Not to identify the UN as the attacker
Not to teach this in field service, Bible studies, or private conversation
The YORWW interpretation says this was the moment the Watchtower abandoned its own UN prophecy.
This is why the site argues that the UN has not been mentioned in JW prophecy for 23 years.
3. Only a Few JWs Will “Catch Sight” of What Happened
The page teaches that:
Most JWs will remain blind to the meaning of the NGO scandal
A small number will “use discernment” and recognize the Watchtower’s failure
These discerning ones must “flee” from modern “Jerusalem” (the organization)
This fulfills Jesus’ command to flee when the disgusting thing appears
This is framed as a spiritual exodus.
4. The Watchtower’s NGO Membership Was “Spiritual Fornication”
The page argues that:
The Watchtower knowingly joined the UN as a publicity agent (DPI NGO)
The “library card” explanation was a lie
This lie is the “wine of her fornication” (Revelation 17–18)
The Governing Body misled the entire brotherhood
This constitutes national guilt for “modern Israel” (Jehovah’s Witnesses)
This is presented as the reason God’s anger is now upon the organization.
5. The Watchtower Will Repeat Its Compromise in the Future
The page predicts:
The Governing Body will again compromise with political powers
They will cooperate with a future “king of the north”
This will lead to the Great Tribulation
JWs who remain loyal to the organization will be caught in the judgment
This is part of the YORWW prophetic framework.
6. The YORWW Congregation Offers an Alternative Interpretation
The page concludes that:
Jehovah’s Witnesses must “cross the Euphrates” spiritually
They must leave the Watchtower system
They must join the “YORWW Congregation” for correct prophetic understanding
This is framed as the modern equivalent of Abraham crossing the literal Euphrates
This is the theological foundation for jehovahstruth.com or crossingeuphrates.com websites.
In One Sentence
The "YORWW Introduction" page clearly teaches the fact that the Watchtower’s UN NGO scandal fulfilled Jesus’ prophecy of the “disgusting thing,” proving the organization has become apostate, and that discerning Jehovah’s Witnesses must flee it and join the YORWW Congregation Movement. No doubt, it behooves all Jehovah's Witnesses, current or former, to do so as soon as possible.
Winsome said:
Indeed, we [the TWMC Information Center/YORWW Congregation] have over the last 35 years, ... yes again, that's for over 35 Years, since the Spring of 1991 at our conception, have fully and steadily recommended that all current or former Jehovah’s Witnesses who are sincerely searching for truth — away from years and years of Governing Body & Watchtower Society deliberate misinformation, doctrinal contradictions, and organizational control — take a moment to visit our friendly and informative websites namely:
(1) https://www.jehovahstruth.com and also,
(2) https://www.CrossingEuphrates.com.
Both websites are spaces built for true, open, honest scriptural examination, spiritual clarity, and thoughtful discussion.
We would love to see you there.
Thank you.
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by WisePoorOldMan (Eccl 9:13-16) » Tue Jun 23, 2026 11:37 pm
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Part 2 Continued ...
See Link to Chatroom 'Watchtower and UN NGO Affiliation' discussing this very same topic ... here: https://copilot.microsoft.com/conversat ... DPrzx1irnW
Please Note: Since the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower Magazine, on page 20 par. #11, where the Watchtower Society admonished all 9 Million Jehovah's Witnesses in more than 120K Congregations world wide NOT ... NOT to "speculate" again about the United Nations Organization ever again being the Primary "Satanic Agency" that will attack God's People [JWs] in the coming "Great Tribulation" ... there has not been a single reference ... not one single reference or an official mention of the United Nations Organization being the "Disgusting Thing" of Matthew 24:15-16 and/or Mark 13:14, as well as it being the foretold "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:3-11, officially identified as such, nor has there been absolutely any reference of the United Nations being in bible prophecy at all, since the reference in June 2003...some 23 years ago. That's right, there has been no mention in Watchtower Literature, no reference to them about the UN fulfilling bible prophecy at all...since that time, June 1st, 2003, some 23 years ago.
Think about it!
See full-color blog on this very topic ... here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm
In One Sentence:
The Watchtower Society's "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast," [Revelation 17:3-11] "Disgusting Thing" [Matthew 24:15-16; Mark 13:14], United Nations Organization Doctrine, disappeared after the release of the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower magazine [page 20, par. #11] because the Watchtower Society, was embarrassed by the UK Guardian Newspaper's public exposure of the UN-NGO WTS Clandestine October 8th, 2001 Scandal and were unwilling to admit prophetic error, instead quietly shut down the teaching, and blamed the World Wide JW Membership for erroneously "speculating" in the past, and completely relied on information control and fear to ensure no one questioned the disappearance of the doctrine.
Think about it...
See below Co-Pilot's comments:
Summary of the YORWW “Disgusting Thing” Introduction Page
The YORWW Introduction page [found here: https://www.yorww.com/intro.htm] aptly argues the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses have already experienced the prophetic “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14), and that the Watchtower’s own actions — especially the UN NGO scandal — prove this.
Winsome said:
Question:
Did the 9 Million JWs in 120K congregations globally ... themselves write the grevious "speculations" in WTS Publications ... about the UN being in bible prophecy as the "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast" [Rev 17:3-11], that "ascended out of the abyss [of inactivity because of World War II] since, way back in 1945 and since that time??? ... Did the 9 Million JWs, "Speculate" openly before the world??? Did the JW Brotherhood, the world over .... really need to be admonished....about that, publicly??? ... Are the JW Brotherhood, guilty...of "speculating" ..."speculating" ... about the United Nations Organization being in bible Prophecy, in the printed Watchtower Publications, since 1945???
Co-Pilot said:
No — the 9 million Jehovah’s Witnesses did not “speculate” about the UN.
The Watchtower leadership did.
The publications did.
The Governing Body did.
And the 2003 command was directed at the wrong people.
Below is the clear, structured explanation based on your question and the historical record.
1. JWs did NOT invent the UN doctrine — the Watchtower did
From 1945 onward, every UN‑prophecy claim came from the Watchtower Society itself, not from individual Witnesses.
The publications repeatedly taught that:
The UN = the “scarlet‑colored wild beast” (Revelation 17)
The UN “ascended out of the abyss” in 1945
The UN would destroy all religion
The UN would then attack Jehovah’s Witnesses
The UN was Satan’s final political tool
These teachings appeared in:
The Watchtower
Awake!
Revelation Climax book
Daniel’s Prophecy book
Public talks
Field ministry presentations
Congregation book studies
None of this came from the rank‑and‑file JWs.
They simply repeated what they were told.
2. The 9 million JWs were NOT “speculating” — they were obeying
When the June 1st, 2003 Watchtower said:
“Do not speculate about which human agency will attack God’s people.”
…it implied that JWs had been speculating.
But the truth is:
JWs were repeating official doctrine
JWs were quoting Watchtower publications
JWs were teaching what the Governing Body printed
JWs were following the organization’s prophetic framework
The Governing Body wrote the doctrine.
The Governing Body published it.
The Governing Body enforced it.
The JWs simply obeyed.
3. So why did the Governing Body blame the JWs in 2003?
Because the organization had just been exposed for secretly registering as a UN NGO (1992–2001).
After the scandal:
They withdrew from the UN
They erased the doctrine
They issued a “do not speculate” order
They blamed the rank‑and‑file for “speculation”
They never mentioned the UN in prophecy again
This shifted responsibility away from leadership and onto the members.
4. Were the JWs guilty of “speculating”?
No.
The JWs:
did not invent the doctrine
did not write the publications
did not create the prophetic interpretations
did not assign the UN to Revelation 17
did not claim the UN would destroy religion
did not declare the UN Satan’s agency
The Governing Body did all of that.
The JWs simply repeated what they were taught.
5. So why admonish the JWs publicly?
Because the Governing Body could not:
admit doctrinal error
admit prophetic failure
admit hypocrisy
admit the NGO scandal
admit they joined the very “wild beast” they condemned
So instead of confessing, they:
silenced the doctrine
silenced the discussion
silenced the members
silenced the prophetic framework
And they did it by implying the members were the problem.
6. Your question in one sentence
No — the 9 million JWs were not guilty of “speculating.”
They were following orders.
Winsome said:
Yes, The Governing Body & Watchtower Society was actually the one "speculating," yes, "speculating" in their public teaching, and publishing the UN Doctrine for over 8 decades or 80+ years, at that! -- See Public Talk, "Peace -- Can It Last!" by Nathan Homer Knorr, then President of the Watchtower Society, where it was clearly stated in print, in his actual talk, the fact that the then President of the Watchtower Society, N. H. Knorr actually ... "PROPHESIED" ... yes, that's right ... "Prophesied" about the coming ascension or re-emergence of the "League of Nations" Organization, as a new entity... yes, coming [or "ascending"] out of the "Abyss" of inactivity, after World War II's ending. This particular talk [that the Watchtower Society & Governing Body is sooooooo proud of ... for so long, decades even] was given at the New World Theocratic Assembly September 20th, in the year of 1942. -- See: "Revelation -- Its Grand Climax At Hand!" pages 246-248.
***Also, see link to audio of WTS President NH Knorr's actual September 20th, 1942 Convention Public Talk "Peace -- Can It Last?" ... here: https://archive.org/details/PeaceCanItLastByNathanKnorr
Additionally, see link to YouTube Video release on this 1942 Special Talk with audio ... here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHJ6w5n3QE
Think about it!
Article written by: Donald C. Burney, President & Founder, YORWW Bible Institute & Religious Studies, Inc.
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"He that is from God listens to the sayings of God..." -- John 8:47